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Old 03-31-2008, 06:10 PM
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. You are quite fond of american "productions"
And how was it that the era after his death was called.And what did he spread around the world?
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:13 PM
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Well, you aren't either. Still no answer - Alexander's kingdom was named Macedonia or Greece? Why is it so complicated to answer a simple question?
First they were Hellenic tribes, such as Sparta, Athenians etc; Got it now ? That is why you have to understand what Hellenic tribes were. And you avoided it like the plague.

The correct answer would be Greece, you had to undetsand what the Hellenic tribes were first for me to go further.

Hellenic city states were united under Philip "Alexanders father" leadership. Correct ? Now let's see if you answer ?
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First they were Hellenic tribes, such as Sparta, Athenians etc; Got it now ? That is why you have to understand what Hellenic tribes were. And you avoided it like the plague.

The correct answer would be Greece, you had to undetsand what the Hellenic tribes were first for me to go further.

Hellenic city states were united under Philip "Alexanders father" leadership. Correct ? Now let's see if you answer ?
I will answer in your style - who did the Macedonians defeated at Heraklea?
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:56 PM
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I will answer in your style - who did the Macedonians defeated at Heraklea?
You didn't answer me again. The above question of yours is usless because if you fail to understand what the Hellenic tribes were about then you're lost.

You prove my piont....
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OK, did Philip defeated the Hellenic tribes? YES! (don't even try to argue that)
Did he united them? Isn't he responsible for the uniting of the Greeks (Hellens)? And was he a Greek (Hellen)? Have in mind what Demosten said...
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Once again - no maps, Strabo's or something... Greece or Macedonia?
There wasn't any Greek State back then ..only Greek Nation composed by
greek Tribes !!!!

In the same way that there wasn't Illyrian state but Illyrian tribes like , Bylliones, Dardanes , Aytariates , Parthini , Encheleis ....

So Alexander's kigdom was the kigdom of the Greek tribe of the Makedones named Makedonia.
...In the same way as the Kingdom of Diomedes was Argos , that of Idomeneus was the Kingdom of Crete ...and in the same way Athens was a greek city-state , composed mainly by Ionians .
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Hi, I would just like to ask - what was the name of Alexander's kingdom? Greece or Macedonia?
What was the island of Pythagoras Greece or Samos ?????
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There wasn't any Greek State back then ..only Greek Nation composed by
greek Tribes !!!!

In the same way that there wasn't Illyrian state but Illyrian tribes like , Bylliones, Dardanes , Aytariates , Parthini , Encheleis ....

So Alexander's kigdom was the kigdom of the Greek tribe of the Makedones named Makedonia.
...In the same way as the Kingdom of Diomedes was Argos , that of Idomeneus was the Kingdom of Crete ...and in the same way Athens was a greek city-state , composed mainly by Ionians .
But Philip encapsuleted these tribes in a Macedonian kingdom, right? And defeated and conquered Greek tribes, no? And?
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And?
Philip never conquered other greek tribes !!!!
The only exceptions were Methone and some Khalkidide cities , and that because they were close to Pella !!

He vassaled barbarians (Paeonians,Illyrian,Thracians)

and Became the chief-general of the greek-alliance against Persia

Inizialy , it was the Thessalians (the Alevads from Larissa) who invited him to be their "tagos" = military commander in their conflicts with the Magnesians and the Phoceans. and when they gave him their votes in the Amphiktyonic council he became "chairman" of the Amphictyony so was the official "protector" of the Delphian oracle. The wars against Phoceans were not conquering ones ,but he wanted to panish them because they looted the greek "holy land".
In Epeirus he "instituted" Alexander IV as king , which was let's say "his agent", but didn't conquered it.
In Athens , although his coalition won in Chaerone (Macedonians ,Thessalians etc) vs. Athenians,Thebans ,etc he treated them with the greatest rispect.The win of Chaeronea permitted him to unify Greece , that is proclaim COMMON PEACE (see Isokrates) and not conquering. So under Philip the Greeks stopped fighting each other.

Philip was King of Macedonia and Chief General of The Greeks and never
altered these roles !!!

BTW ..you never answered me ..What was the island of Pythagoras Greece or Samos ??
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