Ορθοδοξία, Ιουλιανός και άλλα

[Kuniska]

Tha hthela polu na moirasteis tis rwmaikes phges sou.
Den hthele na ferei ousiastikes allages nomizw. Na gurisei pisw ton xrono hthele. Ontws den to eixe h tuxh tou! Tous duo Xristianous swmatofulakes tou tous skotwse... Den tous empisteuotan. Egw den to hxera se auth th biografia to diabasa. Mporoume na epilexoume na to poume Theia dikh egw Nemesis esu. H uperbolh kai to kleisto mualo den htan xarakthristiko twn Ellhnwn. O monadikos autokratoras pou pethane sthn maxh! Wow kai o teleutaios pws pethane; Autos giati pethane opws pethane; Afou den htan prodoths tou Xristianismou tha eprepe na mhn eixe pethanei; H mhpws htan; H mhpws to pas polu me to na les oti oi upoloipoi Buzantinoi autokratores den pethanan panw sth maxh; Ti soi sumperasma na bgalw, pou theleis na ftaseis; H Pou nomizeis oti thelw na ftasw egw; Oti eixan kalo thanato oi upoloipoi epeidh diakurhttan oti htan Xristianoi kai de Orthodoxoi! Gia na sou pw thn alhtheia prepei na to rixw polu sto diabasma gia na sou apanthsw pio apta. To Buzantio einai mia polu skoteinh istorika epoxh gia mena. Ta mona fwteina paradeigmata tou einai oti exei na kanei sxesh me thn ekklhsiastikh paradosh. Buzantinh mousikh, agiografia ktl. Merikoi lene oti h episthmh phge pisw. ( Kai o truth bearer ) Tha diafwnhsw. Apla oti xreiazontan to eixan. Thn episthmh thn eixan apo tous Ellhnes. Oti kainourio xreiazontan to eftiaxnan epi topou. Kai exei na kanei me to neo hthos ths epoxhs pou marturatai se martures para se arxontes.
Oso gia thn proxristianikh aiglh.. mmm polu prin erthei o Xristianismos o Ellhnismos htan upodoulos twn Rwmaiwn...Kopies pantou blepw! Kai oi Rwmaioi pou epideiknuan to fanero thaumasmo tous gia thn Ellada den eixan filous... Otan exeis desma exeis desma. To onoma eixame oxi thn aiglh.
Emena auto pou de mou aresei katholou ma katholou einai h xristianikh axia pou dinoume sto Buzantio. Px o Ioustinianos pou sunexeia ton mperdeuw me ton Iouliano. Pou einai to Xristianiko tou hthos otan xtizontas thn ekklhsia anhggeile Nenikhsa se Solwmonta; Pou einai to Xristianiko hthos twn Autokratorwn otan sthn aulh basileue to misos kai ta pathh kai skotwnan o enas ton allo suggeneis! H Orthodoxia kai h Xristianosunh einai kati polu pio eugeniko kai fwteino apo auto pou thn parousiazoun. To problhma einai oti spaniws exoume antiproswpous ths pou einai etoimoi na afhsoun tis boles kai ta pronomia kai na drasoun Orthodoxa!
Fainetai oti kanenas xrhsmos den tha htan euoiwnos loipon gia ton Iouliano pou kai autos kinhthhke gia tous lathos logous... Opws eipa o fanatismos den kanei kalo pouthena.

[Ehetlaios]

Kyniska, den mporw na vrw tin phgh ayth th stigmi, kai den thymamai oute ton syggrafea...

Den vlepw ton logo na synexisw ayto to dialogo, symfwnoume oti diafwnoume

Kati pou mou thymiss omws me to "nenikhsa se solomonta".

Sxetika me ton Iouliano, o Kedrinos einai evgale kai ton mytho oti o Ioulianos ligo prin pethanei fonakse "nenikhkas xriste... koresthiti nazwraie".

O Ammianos Markellinos, pou itan mprosta tou tin wra tou thanatou tou, den to anaferei.

[Ehetlaios]

Originally Posted by Kuniska

O monadikos autokratoras pou pethane sthn maxh! Wow kai o teleutaios pws pethane; Autos giati pethane opws pethane; Afou den htan prodoths tou Xristianismou tha eprepe na mhn eixe pethanei; H mhpws htan; H mhpws to pas polu me to na les oti oi upoloipoi Buzantinoi autokratores den pethanan panw sth maxh;

Egrapsa "o monadikos aytokratoras ppou pethane sti maxi EKEINH TIN EPOXI".

I epoxi itan dyskoli, oti kai na leme, afou ypirxe polemos me tin Persia.

Eipa, mporei na itan i kaki stigmi kai na etyxe o Ioulianos na pethanei.

Alla sigoura eixe kai exthrous pou tha ton ithelan nekro.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Ehetlaios

Sxetika me ton Iouliano, o Kedrinos einai evgale kai ton mytho oti o Ioulianos ligo prin pethanei fonakse "nenikhkas xriste... koresthiti nazwraie".

La8os file Eheltaios. To leei o 8eodwrhtos Kurrou 393–457AD "Historia ecclesiastica"

ἐκεῖνον δέ γέ φασι δεξάμενον τὴν πληγὴν εὐθὺς πλῆσαι τὴν χεῖρα τοῦ αἵματος καὶ τοῦτο 5 ῥίψαι εἰς τὸν ἀέρα καὶ φάναι· "νενίκηκας Γαλιλαῖε", καὶ κατὰ ταὐτὸν τήν τε νίκην ὁμολογῆσαι καὶ τὴν βλασφημίαν τολμῆσαι· οὕτως ἐμβρόντητος ἦν

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Den mpainw sto trupaki tou an egine etsi h oxi, to an einai mu8os h pragmatikothta, apla 8elw na deiksw oti 8elei polu perissoterh ereuna to 8ema giati psilo-diastreblwseis 8a breis pantou opws blepeis.

[Euklid]

Diavasa kapou oti O Ioulianos anastilose to nao tou solomonta.

[Ehetlaios]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

La8os file Eheltaios. To leei o 8eodwrhtos Kurrou 393–457AD "Historia ecclesiastica"

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Den mpainw sto trupaki tou an egine etsi h oxi, to an einai mu8os h pragmatikothta, apla 8elw na deiksw oti 8elei polu perissoterh ereuna to 8ema giati psilo-diastreblwseis 8a breis pantou opws blepeis.

Orphic, se eyxaristw.

[Ehetlaios]

Originally Posted by Euklid

Diavasa kapou oti O Ioulianos anastilose to nao tou solomonta.

Kai ton pyrgo tis Babel extise ksana :P

Nomizw oti o Ioulianos prospathise na ksanaxtisei ton nao tou Solomonta alla den ta katafere, den eimai sigouros.

[Kuniska]

Den diabases th bibliografia apo to site; To anaferei...

[Ehetlaios]

Oxi den to koitaksa... Vasika den to gnwriza.

Kserw oti prospathise, gia na deiksei stous xristianous oti o Xristos den einai pragmatikos gios tou theou epeidi ypirxe mia profhteia oti o naos tou solomonta den tha ksanaxtistei an oi evraioi den metanohsoun i katit etoio, den kserw, den ta pigaina pote kala me profhteies ktl.

[Ehetlaios]

I revive this thread because today is the anniversary of Julian's death. 26 of June.

I wish I could write more but the exams have me running... I may write an article about him during the summer, we'll see.

Doxa kai timh ston teleytaio Ellhna ethniko.