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Old 02-21-2007, 01:30 PM
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E nai logiko einai Orphic. Oi Gefyraioi meta apo tosous aiwnes eixan ginei Ellines, opws kai oi Karres. Allwste eixan paixei energo rolo sta politika dromena ston Elliniko xwro.
Πιθανο δεν λεω οχι.. αλλα δεν μενω στο θεμα 'καταγωγης' τους. αλλα στο χρονολογικο προβλημα του ζητηματος, δηλ. μας λενε με βαση το κειμενο του Ηροδοτου οτι 'πηραμε' τα γραμματα απο τους Φοινικες (Καδμος, Γεφυραιοι) και με βαση αρχαιολογικων ευρηματων, η πρωτη εμφανιση τους στον Ελλαδικο χωρο γινεται περιπου το 800πΧ.
Αν το κοιταξουμε απο αρχαιολογικης πλευρας, το παλατι του Καδμου και η ιδρυση της Θηβας χρονολογειται στο 1500 πΧ και αρα το προβλημα ειναι οτι η 'εισχωρηση' και εγκατασταση τους στον Ελλαδικο χωρο (ΑΝ εγινε ετσι) γινεται πριν καν φανει η 'γραφη' τους που χρονολογειται στο 1300 πΧ.
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3000 bc in peloponese at Pellana you can see greek letters on coins and they are not symbols-archaelogical finds are in front of us we hust cant see them.
Is the date 3000 correct ???
As far as I know, during Mycenean times we didn't use coins which were a later invention but the the "talanto" (shaped like the skin of oxen)



and the "ovolos" (metal rod)
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I know and I have seen that the mycenaeans used golden "cables" that they cut in order to trade something.

If you wanted 10 bananas you cut 1/4 of an inch gold and gave it. If you wanted a sword you cut 12 inches etc.
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ekathimerini.com | Helen of Troy, Helen of Pellana?
Tuesday March 12, 2002 - Archive

Helen of Troy, Helen of Pellana?

A Greek archaeologist claims to have discovered the palace of two of the foremost heroes of Greek myth, Menelaus and Helen, under a low hill half an hour’s drive north of Sparta.

This flies against the generally accepted assumption that the administrative center of Mycenaean Laconia was at the Menelaion, nearer the modern town of Sparta — which loosely coincides with the ancient city that fought with Athens for the hegemony of Greece in the fifth century BC.

In an interview published yesterday, Theodoros Spyropoulos asserted that he has strong evidence linking Mycenaean-era building foundations at Pellana, a remote site in the foothills of Mt Taygetos, 25 kilometers from Sparta, with the region’s prehistoric capital, Homer’s Lakedaimon.

“I am absolutely certain, conclusively and irrevocably, that Pellana is the Homeric Lakedaimon, and that the palace we are excavating is that of Menelaus,” Spyropoulos, the outgoing head of the local antiquities department who has been excavating at Pellana since 1980, told the Eleftheros Typos daily.

He claimed that finds from Pellana “are 10 times as many as those from Mycenae,” the richest Mycenaean-era center excavated so far in Greece, whose finds form the backbone of the Athens National Archaeological Museum’s prehistoric collection.

Pellana is known for a series of large Mycenaean chamber tombs and a third-millennium-BC grave tumulus.

Now Spyropoulos says he has found a 14- by 32-meter palatial building surrounded by workshops and storerooms, the foundations of two-kilometer-long Cyclopean walls and a monumental road.

The Menelaion, five kilometers northeast of Sparta, was the site of a hero cult in honor of Menelaus and Helen from the eighth century BC to Roman times. Excavated by the British School at Athens, it has yielded the remains of a Mycenaean mansion.
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ÐåëëÜ*á Ëáêù*ßáò

Τι έφεραν σε φως οι ανακαλύψεις;

Ανακαλύπτωντας όμως το Ανάκτορο του Μενελάου και της Ελένης, ανακάλυψαν οι αρχαιολόγοι και την χαμένη Μητρόπολη των Μινυών, την αρχαία Λακεδαίμονα, η οποία υπήρξε το λίκνο του πρώτου μεγάλου πολιτισμού των Ελλήνων. Μητρόπολη κτισμένη στο μέσον μιας τεράστιας λίμνης που της έδωσε τα επίθετα κοίλη κητώεσσα, κοιτίδα των Αργοναυτών και των τεχνοκρατών του Αρχαίου Κόσμου. Η Μινυακή Λακεδαίμων υπήρξε πρωτεύουσα της Χρυσής Χιλιετίας του Δωρικού Ελληνικού Πολιτισμού ( 2700 – 1700 π.Χ.). Αυτό μαρτυρούν τα μνημεία που ήλθαν μέχρι τώρα στο φως, τα Ανάκτορό της, οι θολωτοί κτιστοί τάφοι των Ηγεμόνων της και τα κυκλικά-θολωτά Ιερά της στην κορυφή της Ακρόπολης, η οποία με τεράστιες επεμβάσεις πήρε το σχήμα μια τρίβαυμης πυραμίδας. Τα μνημεία της Μινυακής Λακεδαίμονος έχου ν κοσμικό-γεωμετρικό προσδιορισμό και ο πολιτισμός της μεταλαμπαδεύτηκε από τους Αργοναύτες στα πέρατα του Αρχαίου Κόσμου.

Στην κατεστραμμένη από τον κατακλυσμό του Δευκαλίωνος (περί 1700 π.Χ.) Μινυακαή Λακεδαίμονα, εγκαταστυάθηκαν οι ΑΧΑΙΟΙ και συνέχισαν τον ιστορικό και πολιτιστικό της κύκλο για πεντακόσια ακόμη χρόνια (1700 – 1200 π.Χ.)

Η πολιτική και ιστορική προπαγάνδα είχαν αποκρύψει την Λακεδαίμονα και τον έξοχο πολιτισμό της που ήλθε πρόσφατα στο φως με τις ανασκαφές των αρχαιολόγων και ευελπιστούμε στο μέλλον, ότι θα παρακολουθούμε και θα σας ενημερώνουμε για κάθε νεότερη αποκάλυψη από τις περαιτέρω έρευνες και ανασκαφές.

Τhey have even sealed pellana with concrete and rabble the mycynean palace of 2700 bc.
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Pellana was Lacedaemon (the city) and was unearthed a few years back. Its was dated 3000-2500 bc and stopped by the ministry of culture with actually no reason other then something that appeared to be a political clash about to who archaeologist it was going to be attributed to.I ll find the tv show for it and youtube it.The minister was taunting everyone with his behaviour but in the end he got his way.
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